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Group Orders

2010-09-30T23:59:16Z

BinaryMan: /* Wouxon */

=Adafruit=

The group can get up to 40% off items at adafruit.com (usually about 10% though). Orders should be over $250 (after discount).

{|
| Name || Item Description & ID || List Price
|-
| Blah || Blah || $11.11
|}
Total(not including discount): $11.11

=[http://wouxun.us/Pricing.html Wouxon]=
{|
| Name || Item Description & ID || List Price
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || Ben's KG-UVD1P || $90
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || 1700mah Battery || $24
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || 12v Car Charger || $10
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || SMA - SO239 Adapter || $5
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || KG-UV2D (2M/440)|| $107
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || 1700mah Battery || $24
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || Dual Slot Charger || $24
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || SMA - SO239 Adapter || $5
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || 1700mAh Battery || $24
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || Dual Slot Charger || $24
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || 12v Car Charger || $10
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || Speaker Mic || $14
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || SMA - SO239 Adapter || $5
|-
| [[user:Ben Woodruff|Ben]] || 1700mAh Battery || $24
|-
| [[user:Ben Woodruff|Ben]] || KG-UV2D (2M/440) ** || $107
|-
| [[user:jkl|jkluebs]] || SMA - SO239 Adapter|| $5
|-
| [[user:jkl|jkluebs]] || SMA - SO239 Adapter|| $5
|-
| ''Total'' || || $378
|}

{|
| Name || $$
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || $129
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || $160
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || $77
|-
| [[user:Ben Woodruff|Ben]] || $133 *
|-
| ''Total'' || $497
|}

** Reliant on someone buying my KG-UVD1P

Group Orders

2010-09-30T00:55:52Z

BinaryMan: /* Wouxon */

=Adafruit=

The group can get up to 40% off items at adafruit.com (usually about 10% though). Orders should be over $250 (after discount).

{|
| Name || Item Description & ID || List Price
|-
| Blah || Blah || $11.11
|}
Total(not including discount): $11.11

=[http://wouxun.us/Pricing.html Wouxon]=
{|
| Name || Item Description & ID || List Price
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || Ben's KG-UVD1P || TBD
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || 1700mah Battery || $24
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || 12v Car Charger || $10
|-
| [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] || SMA - SO239 Adapter || $5
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || KG-UV2D (2M/440)|| $107
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || 1700mah Battery || $24
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || Dual Slot Charger || $24
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || SMA - SO239 Adapter || $5
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || 1700mAh Battery || $24
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || Dual Slot Charger || $24
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || 12v Car Charger || $10
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || Speaker Mic || $14
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || SMA - SO239 Adapter || $5
|-
| [[user:Ben Woodruff|Ben]] || 1700mAh Battery || $24
|-
| [[user:Ben Woodruff|Ben]] || KG-UV2D (2M/440) ** || $107
|-
| ''Total'' || || $368
|}

{|
| Name || $$
|-
| [[user:Berticus|Beardicus]] || $160
|-
| [[user:Dhraakellian|Nick]] || $77
|-
| [[user:Ben Woodruff|Ben]] || $133 *
|-
| ''Total'' || $368
|}

** Reliant on someone buying my KG-UVD1P

Category:Pages that need to be updated and/or cleaned up

2010-09-04T03:48:37Z

BinaryMan: Created page with 'If you need something to <del>slack off and procrastinate at work</del> alleviate boredom, take a look at the pages listed below and see if you can help fix them up.'

If you need something to <del>slack off and procrastinate at work</del> alleviate boredom, take a look at the pages listed below and see if you can help fix them up.

Board of Directors

2010-09-04T03:44:54Z

BinaryMan:

{{Cleanup}}

Our board of directors includes our corporate officers:
* [[User:Wooby|Alan Dipert]] aka Wooby - President
* [[User:antitree|Mark Manning]] aka Antitree - Vice President
* [[User:Berticus|Brian Boucheron]] aka Berticus - Secretary
* [[User:Ashumz|Ashley McClelland]] aka Ashumz(zzz) - Treasurer

As well as our Director(s)-at-Large:
* [[User:SnehaRao|Sneha Rao]] - Director of Community Outreach
* [[User:Ben Woodruff|Ben Woodruff]] - Director at Large

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2010-09-04T03:44:24Z

BinaryMan:

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2010-09-04T03:34:36Z

BinaryMan:

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This article '''is outdated and needs to be cleaned up.'''

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2010-09-04T03:34:05Z

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Talk:Get there (guest)

2010-09-04T03:03:20Z

BinaryMan: Created page with 'I'm going to add on to this next time I'm out at the 'space (probably this coming Sunday [9/5] afternoon). Leaving myself a note here so I can find the page again. ~~~~'

I'm going to add on to this next time I'm out at the 'space (probably this coming Sunday [9/5] afternoon). Leaving myself a note here so I can find the page again. [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] 03:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Lockpicking Door

2010-09-04T02:58:02Z

BinaryMan:

Project Description: This project was created to have a place to learn and practice the hobby of lock picking. We will be creating a door that <del>leads to an alternate reality where everyone understands Nick</del> does not really lead to anywhere and installing various locks so we can attempt to pick, shim, or whatever our way in.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/markmmanning/sets/72157624562457629/with/4875670056/

== Materials ==
* Framed door
* 10 locks of various types obtained from Craigslist
* lock installation kit

== Project Log ==
--[[User:Antitree|Antitree]] 14:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
* Jeremy and I picked up 10 locks for $4 a piece because they didn't have keys to go with them.
* Wayne and I picked up a framed door from a local hardware store
* We installed the door and one lock so far.
* next steps are to level out the frame, enclose the door, and install more locks

Amateur radio

2010-09-04T02:46:37Z

BinaryMan: /* who we are */

== who we are ==
interlock has a number of licensed ham radio operators including:
* [[User:Justbill | Bill]], KC2YPJ
* [[User:Ben_Woodruff | Ben]], N0BDW
* [[User:Dhraakellian | Nick]], KC2YTG
* [[User:IGadget | Rowan]], KC2KPI (General)
* [[User:Fvox13 | Steve]], KC2YTC
* [[User:Berticus | Brian]], KC2VVD (Inactive)
* [[User:Butterb | John]], N2PMP (Extra -- almost Superfluous)
* [[User:alvarop | Alvaro]], KC2VVE
* [[User:BinaryMan | Chris]], KC2YWT

== what we do ==
We generally hang out on the Xerox repeater, KE2MK/R, as it is one of the few repeaters we are able to work on 2M/440 from rubber duck antennas on HTs from inside Interlock. We also occasionally use the Harris repeater.
=== Xerox ARC Repeater ===
* Output: 145.29 (you listen on this frequency)
* Input: 144.69 (you transmit on this frequency) - negative offset
* Output: 444.825
* Input: 449.825 - positive offset
* No PL tone required for TX but recommend RX PL 110.9 if you have a lot of RFI
* Echolink node #44856

=== Harris Repeater ===
* Output: 444.400
* Input: 449.400 - positive offset
* TX PL 110.9

=== Interlock Simplex ===
* Frequency: 442.420 (no PL)
* Note: this frequency is outside the normal step for 70cm, so you make have to do something funky to get your radio to tune it (like change your step for 70cm to 5Hz)

Xerox is (potentially? contacted Xerox ARC 8/10 to confirm) Echolink enabled. None of our official unofficial repeaters support IRLP. Some of the other local repeaters do. If you are interested in IRLP, check out this site for a brief introduction on how to use it: http://k3bay.com/html/irlp.php

== projects ==
=== antenna building ===
We have ordered the parts needed to build [http://home.comcast.net/~buck0/ll_coolj.html 2-meter j-pole antennas]. We will be assembling them next Make Night, Thursday July 8th.
Update: Antenna make night was a success. Thanks to all who attended. Please watch for similar events in the future!

=== [[roof antenna]] ===
We have permission from Maguire to install an antenna on the roof as long as it is free-standing (ie, we don't bolt it to the roof). Also, the feed line can't whip in the wind or whack up against the building (so it needs to be secured somehow -- conduit?).

=== [[rochester repeater guide]] ===

Resources we have / donations

2010-09-04T01:41:33Z

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2010-09-04T01:41:09Z

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2010-09-04T01:38:32Z

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2010-09-04T01:34:44Z

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2010-09-04T01:31:25Z

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2010-09-04T01:30:10Z

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Talk:Final Space Layout

2010-09-04T01:19:37Z

BinaryMan: /* General Comments */

==General Comments==
* The door will be somewhere on one of the thin walls, so furniture cannot be placed against all of them.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
* Are we really going to have a TV and an area dedicated to such? Could the TV instead be a white screen and the currently non-existent interlock projector? Then it could be dual use for meetings and presentations etc (admittedly, a TV could be used for presentations). If we did this, I'd like to see the big meeting/working table also oriented to look in on the screen and the loungey area (option b does this). Then people can work and keep track of the lounging or meeting or whatever. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** I used a TV icon because it was easier to differentiate from a long rectangle representing a screen. I actually envisioned it as having a projector there. As for couches, people have mentioned comfortable space to just relax and watch a movie, so I've tried in many cases to keep the couches and main meeting table together so that they can both use the projector. --[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* I'd like to see one big long table, capable of seating at least ten people working. I'd rather work at a table with other people, facing them, instead of having my back to the room all the time (I do like the tables along the wall as well, but I'm thinking mainly for meetings and classes, a larger table we can all gather around would be ideal) --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** Good point, I'll take this into consideration as I develop new revisions. I'll re-orient the desks so that they face each other instead. I use desks because steel secretaries desks are easy to acquire, incredibly durable, and offer a lot of storage in the drawers.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** [http://www.nycresistor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/CRW_6560.jpg This] is what I have in my mind when I'm blabbering about a superbiglong workbench. This is at NYC Resistor. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 13:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
** I see what you're getting at. I like the large central table with a few work areas off to the sides that they have. Do you have a preference for something 4'x16' like theirs or 8'x8' as in "option C"?--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 07:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** Guess it depends on what fits the space best. I imagine an 8x8 square would have more "wasted" space in the middle, and less perimeter space to seat people (per square foot of floor space).--[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 15:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
* Do we want a real stove/oven? I bet it could be scrounged pretty easily. We'd have to communicate with Felix about this. I was just envisioning a hot plate on the counter myself... depends on if people want to bake or heat more than one or two pots at a time. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** I think hot plate is where we will be for a while. (Though yes, a stove would be easy to acquire) I added a real stove because it had been mentioned on IRC and would make for a nice addition.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* We should explore building desks or shelves or even just wee standing-height table/elbow-receptacles on the columns. I'm thinking bar/cafe eating-on-the-run standup tables (there's gotta be a better name). It'd be super-easy to run power down the column to the center of any such structures. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** "Elbow-Recepticals" - Awesome. You're right, this would be quite easy. Let me know what size surface you are thinking of and I'll add it into a revision.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* I share Ashumz's concern that the couch area is pretty disproportionately large. These layouts also don't leave any room for floor-standing equipment. Whoo... too much negativity! Sorry. Obviously things will sort of fill the space organically when we get there, and these are a really good start for general guidance. I quite like option A thus far. If the big table was elongated a bit it'd be pretty perfect. I'm thinking we can come up with some sort of soft wall system for differentiating the storage area... we could string up cables and drape some old truck tarps with our logo vinyl cut and sewed into it. Inside the "kitchen" area is pretty tall (slightly taller ceiling / lower floor, plus less gunky pipes in the way) so we should explore going vertical and maximizing storage up in there. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** The actual size of the furniture will depend on what we can get...I'll be sure to stretch the icon for the meeting table in the next revision. As for storage, if we're not a bunch of slobs, we don't need a separate room. I suggested the delineation with a line on the floor, that if we pass, means we need to clear out some junk as a way to keep from filling the space with "trash"--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

* Nothing in the layouts lists anything for network support, servers etc. I would also suggest building the door locations into the space ideas so that we can take all of the non-moveable things into account. In fact nothing telecom is mentioned. I would think ideally the production servers, switches and routers should all be located where the DEMARK is. Do we know where that is yet? [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 19:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Once that has been decided we can work out how to most efficiently wire the space as well. If we have the wire, I'd like to put a pair of drops on the poles as well, opposite of the power. [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 20:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

* Good to see Option M, the first to include the location of the door. The space to the north (left, in this orientation) of the door is going to be a bit out-of-the-way and difficult to use in an interactive way, so I'm thinking some storage of some kind might be appropriate there. I'm not sure what went into putting the rack in the southeast corner, but I'm wondering if this northeast corner might be a better place. With the kitchen in the northwest, this would put much of our fixed infrastructure on one side or the other of the north end of the space, allowing a much broader sweep of the south end to be flexibly and changibly* arrayed. Looking at it another way, if one draws a line from the northwest corner (where the fridge is shown in the kitchen) to the southeast corner (where the current gap in the wall is, where the server racks might go), then having the rack in that other corner would put rack, kitchen, door all in one triangular "half" of the space, and leave the other triangular half reconfigurable. I'd also maybe then put the lockers along the wall parallel to the long hall, to the left as one comes in the door. [[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

* As for the kitchen, a stove is a must for curing polymer clay! ;-) Seriously, it'll be a good thing to have at some point. I don't have a feel for the dimensions of where things are in the kitchen diagrams, but my gut reaction is that the sink is too close to the wall on the left, as one faces it. I don't know if it breaks up the counter too much to have that moved towards the stove location a little bit, or if there are other plumbing constraints that require it be so close to the corner. I wash my fair share of dishes, and find it handy to have some room on each side of a sink. Plus, if it's too close to a wall on the side, that'll be another surface that requires a splashguard. If we have potlucks in the space, or events with food other than pizza, there will be washing-up to do. Also, disposal? I know, anything that would go down the disposal should probably be composted, or could be thrown out, but frankly, a disposal is the heaviest piece of kitchen machinery there often is and so I get all gadget-lusty about that. If we need contiguous counter space, perhaps the recycling/trash/compost bins could go under a counter on the north side of the kitchen area? We also will want to have some pantry-type space in the kitchen for storing basic dry goods and utensils. That would probably be best done over the counter over the recycling/trash so they stay dry (eg, not by the sink) and cool (eg, not by the stove). Dishes, pots & pans, etc will go around the sink and stove. [[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

* As for general furniture layout: Big heavy stuff should probably live near the edges of the space more often than not, so it doesn't have to be dragged out of the way too often to make room for all our big ol' tech-geek hoedowns. That means Lazee Boys, big heavy desks, and other heavier pieces and so forth need to be back back back. For instance, Option A--I like the desks under the windows there, maybe wrapping around to back onto the sink-side of the kitchen. Light chairs and folding tables can go in the middle most of the time in some extended fashion as per the Reactor picture, but they need to be kept mostly clear for rapid redployment of the center of the space for waltzing or potlucks or screenings or classes or for First Friday schmoozing. Maybe instead of putting the desks with their long-edge along the windowed wall, they could be put with a short edge against that wall to make a series of alcoves, with a desk in each corner (facing toward and away from the kitchen) and then a couple of pairs of desks back-to-back. The would enable people working together to cluster around a pair of desks, and make it so that any single person sitting in front of a desk wasn't sitting with a back to the rest of the room and to the door. [[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

* The previews for each layout are no longer displaying properly. The links to the Visio drawings aren't working either. :( [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] 01:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

==Comments on A==
* This has very distinctly separate areas for work, relaxing, storage, and fooding.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC
* This one is my personal favorite, but I am hesitant to say we should have such a huge area dedicated to couches. I'd say, to start, we can fit the furniture we have in that back room and use more of the open space to line the walls with workbenches and computer desk type areas. Maybe another large sitting area like in the 'meeting' area (upper left) where the couch area is. We'll have to see how much seating area we can fit in that back room, but I have a hunch what we have right now will fit in there OK for the time being, and we can add comfy stuff as needed (and maybe we could keep that area as close to the back room as possible since thats food'ish area, and we want to keep that area consolidated probably. Maybe a couch right outside that room also?
** I will look at swapping some areas to reduce the size of the lounge space and increase meeting space. I didn't put couches in the back room because I didn't want it to feel secluded. I put the appliances in there because that's where the utilities are currently.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

==Comments on B==
* Why does this one have a piano?--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
* I think we shouldn't "use up" one of the windows illuminating a storage space, especially if that space is to be walled off (visually at least) from the rest of the space. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** I reiterate that we may not need to wall off the space, but I agree and will keep storage off the window wall.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* The back wall has a pipe that I think would be too low for the lockers you've put there (I *think* those are lockers at least). --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

==Comments on C==
* The big work bench is nice, but the desks end up more scattered.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

* Can we actually fit an 8x8 bench down the stairs and through the door? --[[User:Alvarop|Alvarop]] 02:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
** I think an 8x8 workbench would be cheaper to build from scratch in place, so no worries about the door :) --[[User:Joshshua|Joshshua]] 17:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
** Exactly what I was thinking. 2x4s and two sheets of plywood could make a good bench fast and easy. This design method would also work for the really long bench that Berticus was asking for.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 07:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Final Space Layout

2010-09-04T01:16:15Z

BinaryMan: /* General Comments */

==General Comments==
* The door will be somewhere on one of the thin walls, so furniture cannot be placed against all of them.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
* Are we really going to have a TV and an area dedicated to such? Could the TV instead be a white screen and the currently non-existent interlock projector? Then it could be dual use for meetings and presentations etc (admittedly, a TV could be used for presentations). If we did this, I'd like to see the big meeting/working table also oriented to look in on the screen and the loungey area (option b does this). Then people can work and keep track of the lounging or meeting or whatever. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** I used a TV icon because it was easier to differentiate from a long rectangle representing a screen. I actually envisioned it as having a projector there. As for couches, people have mentioned comfortable space to just relax and watch a movie, so I've tried in many cases to keep the couches and main meeting table together so that they can both use the projector. --[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* I'd like to see one big long table, capable of seating at least ten people working. I'd rather work at a table with other people, facing them, instead of having my back to the room all the time (I do like the tables along the wall as well, but I'm thinking mainly for meetings and classes, a larger table we can all gather around would be ideal) --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** Good point, I'll take this into consideration as I develop new revisions. I'll re-orient the desks so that they face each other instead. I use desks because steel secretaries desks are easy to acquire, incredibly durable, and offer a lot of storage in the drawers.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** [http://www.nycresistor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/CRW_6560.jpg This] is what I have in my mind when I'm blabbering about a superbiglong workbench. This is at NYC Resistor. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 13:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
** I see what you're getting at. I like the large central table with a few work areas off to the sides that they have. Do you have a preference for something 4'x16' like theirs or 8'x8' as in "option C"?--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 07:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** Guess it depends on what fits the space best. I imagine an 8x8 square would have more "wasted" space in the middle, and less perimeter space to seat people (per square foot of floor space).--[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 15:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
* Do we want a real stove/oven? I bet it could be scrounged pretty easily. We'd have to communicate with Felix about this. I was just envisioning a hot plate on the counter myself... depends on if people want to bake or heat more than one or two pots at a time. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** I think hot plate is where we will be for a while. (Though yes, a stove would be easy to acquire) I added a real stove because it had been mentioned on IRC and would make for a nice addition.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* We should explore building desks or shelves or even just wee standing-height table/elbow-receptacles on the columns. I'm thinking bar/cafe eating-on-the-run standup tables (there's gotta be a better name). It'd be super-easy to run power down the column to the center of any such structures. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** "Elbow-Recepticals" - Awesome. You're right, this would be quite easy. Let me know what size surface you are thinking of and I'll add it into a revision.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* I share Ashumz's concern that the couch area is pretty disproportionately large. These layouts also don't leave any room for floor-standing equipment. Whoo... too much negativity! Sorry. Obviously things will sort of fill the space organically when we get there, and these are a really good start for general guidance. I quite like option A thus far. If the big table was elongated a bit it'd be pretty perfect. I'm thinking we can come up with some sort of soft wall system for differentiating the storage area... we could string up cables and drape some old truck tarps with our logo vinyl cut and sewed into it. Inside the "kitchen" area is pretty tall (slightly taller ceiling / lower floor, plus less gunky pipes in the way) so we should explore going vertical and maximizing storage up in there. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** The actual size of the furniture will depend on what we can get...I'll be sure to stretch the icon for the meeting table in the next revision. As for storage, if we're not a bunch of slobs, we don't need a separate room. I suggested the delineation with a line on the floor, that if we pass, means we need to clear out some junk as a way to keep from filling the space with "trash"--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

* Nothing in the layouts lists anything for network support, servers etc. I would also suggest building the door locations into the space ideas so that we can take all of the non-moveable things into account. In fact nothing telecom is mentioned. I would think ideally the production servers, switches and routers should all be located where the DEMARK is. Do we know where that is yet? [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 19:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Once that has been decided we can work out how to most efficiently wire the space as well. If we have the wire, I'd like to put a pair of drops on the poles as well, opposite of the power. [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 20:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

* Good to see Option M, the first to include the location of the door. The space to the north (left, in this orientation) of the door is going to be a bit out-of-the-way and difficult to use in an interactive way, so I'm thinking some storage of some kind might be appropriate there. I'm not sure what went into putting the rack in the southeast corner, but I'm wondering if this northeast corner might be a better place. With the kitchen in the northwest, this would put much of our fixed infrastructure on one side or the other of the north end of the space, allowing a much broader sweep of the south end to be flexibly and changibly* arrayed. Looking at it another way, if one draws a line from the northwest corner (where the fridge is shown in the kitchen) to the southeast corner (where the current gap in the wall is, where the server racks might go), then having the rack in that other corner would put rack, kitchen, door all in one triangular "half" of the space, and leave the other triangular half reconfigurable. I'd also maybe then put the lockers along the wall parallel to the long hall, to the left as one comes in the door. [[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

* As for the kitchen, a stove is a must for curing polymer clay! ;-) Seriously, it'll be a good thing to have at some point. I don't have a feel for the dimensions of where things are in the kitchen diagrams, but my gut reaction is that the sink is too close to the wall on the left, as one faces it. I don't know if it breaks up the counter too much to have that moved towards the stove location a little bit, or if there are other plumbing constraints that require it be so close to the corner. I wash my fair share of dishes, and find it handy to have some room on each side of a sink. Plus, if it's too close to a wall on the side, that'll be another surface that requires a splashguard. If we have potlucks in the space, or events with food other than pizza, there will be washing-up to do. Also, disposal? I know, anything that would go down the disposal should probably be composted, or could be thrown out, but frankly, a disposal is the heaviest piece of kitchen machinery there often is and so I get all gadget-lusty about that. If we need contiguous counter space, perhaps the recycling/trash/compost bins could go under a counter on the north side of the kitchen area? We also will want to have some pantry-type space in the kitchen for storing basic dry goods and utensils. That would probably be best done over the counter over the recycling/trash so they stay dry (eg, not by the sink) and cool (eg, not by the stove). Dishes, pots & pans, etc will go around the sink and stove. [[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

* As for general furniture layout: Big heavy stuff should probably live near the edges of the space more often than not, so it doesn't have to be dragged out of the way too often to make room for all our big ol' tech-geek hoedowns. That means Lazee Boys, big heavy desks, and other heavier pieces and so forth need to be back back back. For instance, Option A--I like the desks under the windows there, maybe wrapping around to back onto the sink-side of the kitchen. Light chairs and folding tables can go in the middle most of the time in some extended fashion as per the Reactor picture, but they need to be kept mostly clear for rapid redployment of the center of the space for waltzing or potlucks or screenings or classes or for First Friday schmoozing. Maybe instead of putting the desks with their long-edge along the windowed wall, they could be put with a short edge against that wall to make a series of alcoves, with a desk in each corner (facing toward and away from the kitchen) and then a couple of pairs of desks back-to-back. The would enable people working together to cluster around a pair of desks, and make it so that any single person sitting in front of a desk wasn't sitting with a back to the rest of the room and to the door. [[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

* The previews for each layout are no longer displaying properly. :( [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] 01:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

==Comments on A==
* This has very distinctly separate areas for work, relaxing, storage, and fooding.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC
* This one is my personal favorite, but I am hesitant to say we should have such a huge area dedicated to couches. I'd say, to start, we can fit the furniture we have in that back room and use more of the open space to line the walls with workbenches and computer desk type areas. Maybe another large sitting area like in the 'meeting' area (upper left) where the couch area is. We'll have to see how much seating area we can fit in that back room, but I have a hunch what we have right now will fit in there OK for the time being, and we can add comfy stuff as needed (and maybe we could keep that area as close to the back room as possible since thats food'ish area, and we want to keep that area consolidated probably. Maybe a couch right outside that room also?
** I will look at swapping some areas to reduce the size of the lounge space and increase meeting space. I didn't put couches in the back room because I didn't want it to feel secluded. I put the appliances in there because that's where the utilities are currently.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

==Comments on B==
* Why does this one have a piano?--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
* I think we shouldn't "use up" one of the windows illuminating a storage space, especially if that space is to be walled off (visually at least) from the rest of the space. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
** I reiterate that we may not need to wall off the space, but I agree and will keep storage off the window wall.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* The back wall has a pipe that I think would be too low for the lockers you've put there (I *think* those are lockers at least). --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

==Comments on C==
* The big work bench is nice, but the desks end up more scattered.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

* Can we actually fit an 8x8 bench down the stairs and through the door? --[[User:Alvarop|Alvarop]] 02:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
** I think an 8x8 workbench would be cheaper to build from scratch in place, so no worries about the door :) --[[User:Joshshua|Joshshua]] 17:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
** Exactly what I was thinking. 2x4s and two sheets of plywood could make a good bench fast and easy. This design method would also work for the really long bench that Berticus was asking for.--[[User:MadScientist|MadScientist]] 07:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Interlock Rochester Wiki:Current events

2010-08-27T19:38:56Z

BinaryMan:

Meetings are published on [http://meetup.com/Rochester-Hackerspace Meetup.com]

==Processing/Arduino Course==
Please see the [http://training.oreilly.com/arduino/ O'Reilly course description] for more details. We will be at the space projecting the sessions each Tuesday at six, starting August 31st. The week before we'll be sure to get everybody situated with hardware and software so we're ready to go. Please confirm your attendance below, and note if you need to purchase any of the required supplies. We will send out the Adafruit order soon to equip everybody in time.

===Attendees===
====Does not need parts====
* Beardicus
* BinaryMan
* JustBill
* JustBill's JustWife

====Needs parts====
* Nick/Dhraakellian
* IGadget (need an arduino)

Interlock Rochester Wiki:Current events

2010-08-04T05:56:44Z

BinaryMan:

Meetings are published on [http://meetup.com/Rochester-Hackerspace Meetup.com]

==Processing/Arduino Course==
Please see the [http://training.oreilly.com/arduino/ O'Reilly course description] for more details. We will be at the space projecting the sessions each Tuesday at six, starting August 31st. The week before we'll be sure to get everybody situated with hardware and software so we're ready to go. Please confirm your attendance below, and note if you need to purchase any of the required supplies. We will send out the Adafruit order soon to equip everybody in time.

===Attendees===
====Does not need parts====
* Beardicus
* JustBill
* JustBill's JustWife

====Needs parts====
* BinaryMan
* Nick/Dhraakellian

Interlock Rochester Wiki:Current events

2010-08-03T18:58:58Z

BinaryMan: /* Attendees */

Meetings are published on [http://meetup.com/Rochester-Hackerspace Meetup.com]

==Processing/Arduino Course==
Please see the [http://training.oreilly.com/arduino/ O'Reilly course description] for more details. We will be at the space projecting the sessions each Tuesday at six, starting August 31st. The week before we'll be sure to get everybody situated with hardware and software so we're ready to go. Please confirm your attendance below, and note if you need to purchase any of the required supplies. We will send out the Adafruit order soon to equip everybody in time.

===Attendees===
* Beardicus
* JustBill
* JustBill's JustWife
* BinaryMan

Resources

2010-07-03T19:40:32Z

BinaryMan:

== [[Resources we have / donations]] ==

== [[Resources we need or want]] ==

== What You Have Loaned ==
* Ben:
** Refrigerator

* Chris:
** 5-speed drill press
** Xbox 360
** Cisco 2520 router

Resources

2010-02-25T05:42:07Z

BinaryMan:

== What You Have Donated ==
(Please only things that are worth more than approximately $20 or could be used for a project)
* Table (painted)
* Table
* HP Older printer
* Small component chest
* 24" x 36" Whiteboard

Steve:
* Cisco Wireless AP

Mark:
* 4 x Linksys Routers
* Various hacker books
* 10 tables from RIT

Bryan:
* Two leather [http://leather-chairs.officechairs.com/Black-Leather-Guest-Chair-with-Mahogany-Finish-CH00213.aspx guest chairs]

Ben:
* Cisco PIX
* 24 port switch
* 5-7 computers
* 4-5 CRT monitors
* HP All-in-one Printer
* Scanner
* AirPort Express
* Bag of cables
* 5-port switches (handful)
* 5-port hub

Carl:
** 3 bins of cables
** Microwave
** bulletin board
** UNIX license plate

Charles:
* Cisco 2950 switch --[[User:Cprofitt|Cprofitt]] 03:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

== What You Have Lent ==
* Ben:
** Refrigerator

* Chris:
** Linksys WRT54GL router with DD-WRT

== What You Have at Home ==

=== IT Equipment ===
* old Cisco gigantic switch
* quad core sun box
* 2 GHz workstation w/ 2 GB of RAM. need to add in a drive, probably a 100 or 80 GB for now. [[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 16:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
* 950 MHz Thinkpad with broken screen. 40GB drive I think. Could be used for the auth system, since we could just mount it to the door or something. [[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 16:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
* Big Enterasys network switch with all kinds of crazy fiber and copper connections in different, removable blades (--[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 06:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC))
* eMac G4 with 256MB RAM, DVD writer, 80GB (might be 60?) HDD -- Can bring in if there is a use for it. [[User:Tomkinsc|Tomkinsc]] 04:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
* I can donate a G4 466mhz (Digital Audio) currently has 10.4 installed and misc hardware like CD drives/burners [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 01:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
* I have a spare split 66 block for terminating POTS lines and about 50 feet of 25 pair if needed. [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 01:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
* Apple LaserWriter 8500 currently in storage - It is network capable - postscript,16 ppm/duplexer and extra trays. [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 05:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
* Cisco 3550 switch --[[User:Cprofitt|Cprofitt]] 20:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
* Cisco 2950 switch --[[User:Cprofitt|Cprofitt]] 03:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
* Seagate 20GB IDE Drive --[[User:Cprofitt|Cprofitt]] 20:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
* Hitachi Deskstar 82.3GB IDE Drive --[[User:Cprofitt|Cprofitt]] 20:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
* Seagate 20GB IDE Drive --[[User:Cprofitt|Cprofitt]] 20:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
* Seagate 60GB IDE Drive --[[User:Cprofitt|Cprofitt]] 20:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
* Half-Height 19" equipment cabinet -- [[User:Carl|Carl]]
* I have a Lexmark X85 (printer/scanner combo) that I grabbed from being recycled. Looks pretty good, but doesn't power on. I have an adapter for it if anyone has the desire to tear it apart and try fixing it before I get around to it. -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]
* Cisco 2520 router -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]
* Linksys WRT54G with DD-WRT -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]
* Various desktop cases, motherboards, CPUs, RAM sticks, power supplies, and cords -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]

=== Tools ===
* [http://www.flickr.com/photos/bert_m_b/4086757469/ Marsh Model Q 1/4-inch Stencil Press] -- Brian B.
* Small table saw -- Brian B.
* Leader Oscilloscope LBO-522 -- Brian B.
* 2x 25w soldering irons, a breadboard, lots of wiring, assorted electronics kits and tools --Alan
* HP 1664A logic analyzer --Josh
* Power supply/Variac --Josh
* My dad has some kind of adjustable resistor that he said he'd donate once we're a real non-profit (IDK what it is exactly, but it has two binding posts, and you dial in the resistance you want using 4 dials)
--[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 21:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
* Dremel with attachments and flexible shaft -- Alvaro
* Hakko 936 Soldering Station -- Alvaro
* Screwdriver with a variety of phillips, flathead, hex, and tamper-proof torx bits. Also a bunch of wrenches -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]

=== Furnishings ===
* Rubbermaid work desk. Should not be used near hot things, its actually made out of plastic [[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 16:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
* 3-shelf AV cart --Brian B.
* 6ft rubbermaid folding table --Alan
* 5'x8' whiteboard (it's big...) --Josh
* Two regular wooden chairs, one rolling padded chair. --Josh
* Maybe a set of couches- must consult neighbor --Josh
* Dorm style couch once I get back into my storage garage. [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 17:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

=== Services ===
* I jerk cable as a side job... I'd love to do any low-voltage wiring, especially ethernet (--[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 06:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC))
* I pull cable as well and have a Jack Rapid for Leviton jacks. As well as all of the other tools like fishes, crimpers, and punchdown tools. [[User:IGadget|IGadget]] 17:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
* I can build working desktops from junked ones in record time, providing there's enough working parts to work with. I "volunteer" a portion of my time to a friend of mine that has a job in media production. I also have background in fixing broken electronics and soldering things back together -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]

== What We Want/Need ==

=== Safety Items ===
* Hearing protection (plugs/muffs)
* Eye protection (facemask/teh goggles)
* First Aid kits

=== Fabrication Tools ===
* Drill Press
* Table Saw
* Power Drill (Corded or cordless, hammer option a plus)
* Drill bit set
* CNC machine
* Shop Vacuum
* Laser Cutter/Engraver
* Propane and propane accessories (blow torches etc)
* Reprap (more of a want than a need)
* Spot welder (there is a maker project for this)

=== Electronics Tools ===
* Soldering Irons
* Oscilloscope
* Multimeters
* Signal Generators
* Logic Analyzers
* Power Supplies
* Breadboards
* Circuit Fabrication equipment (etchant, photoresist?)

=== Electronics & Parts ===
* [http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G17225 Ginormous Surprise Box]
* [http://www.sciplus.com/recommend.cfm/recommendid/3501 Surprise Box of Science] (sounds like a Bill Nye thing... :-) )

=== Furnishings ===
* Grill
* Kegerator
* Dark Room
* Lockers
* Utility Sink
* Bike Parking
* crash pad for powernaps (comfy [expensive] furniture from [http://www.studiooneup.com/ Studio One Up])
* robotic pet for artificial companionship
* spray booth
* big ol' whiteboard (DIY with plexiglass or [http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=128 Dry erase paint])
* refrigerator
* Commercial Grade coffee maker (possibly one of [http://www.amazon.com/Bunn-Commercial-Automatic-Brewer/dp/B002WPUBWS these], or at least one of [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G9WK8K/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00012XCZW&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0B15WZTBBEARXDZ85CDR these]. Alternatively [http://www.amazon.com/Keurig-Single-Gourmet-Coffee-Brewing/dp/B001TKEUXI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen&qid=1259736180&sr=1-3 this]) Keep in mind that the Keurig has a higher per-cup cost, wheras the Bunn units are dirt cheap, after the initial outlay of a lot of money. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 06:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
* Bookshelves... people can donate books, but we'll have to set some guidelines or well get a whole room full of "Windows 95 for dummies" and other useless titles
* Projector
* Workbenches w/ power strips and good lighting

=== Computer/IT ===
* Servers
** xserve (want --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 19:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC))
* 19" Rackmount rack
* monitors
* computers and computer accessories
* bittorrent tracker
* SILC/IRC server - I am willing to donate this. --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 00:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
* TF2/LFD/LFD2 Server? (Def more of a lust) - (I'd be willing to help with this. --[[User:pk|-- pk]] 09:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC))

User:BinaryMan

2010-02-25T00:14:28Z

BinaryMan:

I is Chris.

Background in networking, tearing things apart, voiding warranties, blowing things up, and fixing things.

Talk:Phase 0 Networking

2010-02-24T23:43:02Z

BinaryMan:

* I have a working Cisco 2520 that I've occasionally toyed around with. I can donate it indefinitely. -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] 14:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
** Can you or anyone else confirm a value add for this device in the production network? It would seem like the pfSense firewall should be able to do the routing needs but I'll let someone more qualified ring in. Even if that is the case I'd love to add it to our network playground. --[[User:Antitree|Antitree]] 22:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
*** There really isn't a "value add" in it. It really is more of a playtoy, unless we want a backup ISDN BRI connection in the future. -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] 23:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Phase 0 Networking

2010-02-24T23:42:15Z

BinaryMan:

* I have a working Cisco 2520 that I've occasionally toyed around with. I can donate it indefinitely. -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] 14:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
** Can you or anyone else confirm a value add for this device in the production network? It would seem like the pfSense firewall should be able to do the routing needs but I'll let someone more qualified ring in. Even if that is the case I'd love to add it to our network playground. --[[User:Antitree|Antitree]] 22:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
*** There really isn't a "value add" in it. It really is more of a playtoy, unless we want a backup IDSN BRI connection in the future. -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] 23:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Phase 0 Networking

2010-02-24T14:49:17Z

BinaryMan: Created page with 'I have a working Cisco 2520 that I've occasionally toyed around with. I can donate it indefinitely. -- ~~~~'

I have a working Cisco 2520 that I've occasionally toyed around with. I can donate it indefinitely. -- [[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]] 14:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Infrastructure

2009-12-10T06:55:09Z

BinaryMan:

==Network Project==
I would like to take the lead on this. I want to ask at the next meeting what people's needs are for network(s) and bandwidth [I know personally I'd like to play with some high bandwidth VoIP stuff, so the more bandwidth we can afford the better, imo] and see if what we have outlined on the [[Infrastructure]] page meshes with what everyone else was thinking. --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 20:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Care to tag-team this? --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 14:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Help is always appreciated, Carl mentioned wanting to help as well. --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 15:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Ben, looks like you've got a good handle on this. Nicely detailed proposals. Thanks for stepping up to lead this.

The chief thing that springs to mind with regard to the RFC1918 address space allocations is that consumer level devices, which I think it's safe to say we'll have on hand at one time or another, typically use at least two of those ranges preferentially. Apple Airport base stations tend to use addresses in the 10.0.0.0/8 range, and non-Apple devices often plop themselves down in the 192.168.0.0/16 range.

My suggestion, then, is to use 172.16.0.0/12 range for all of our private networks. That way, if something shows a 192.168.x.y or 10.x.y.z address, we'll know right away that it's coming from something other than our stuff.

In that light, I propose 172.20.x.y for the production network, partitioned further as you suggest (perhaps spacing things out by 10s in the third octet instead of by 1s, to give some room in between), 172.30.x.y for the warzone. The mnemonic I have in mind for this is that .20 is an "even" multiple of 10, even meaning "smooth" and smooth being what one wants from a production environment. In contrast, .30 is an "odd" multiple of 10, odd being exciting, unusual, or even dangerous, depending on one's perspective, but certainly what one would expect from a "warzone". In between these two we'd have 172.25.x.y, which would be the playground--not expected to be at all dangerous, but you must be this tall to enter this ride.

The 10.0.0.0/8 space is pretty big, even if Apple does use part of it. From what I recall and can tell from a quick search, they tend to use 10.0.1.x addresses. I think it might be a good convention to pick some portion of the 10.0.0.0/8 space and then to recommend that people use it for setting up their own independent test networks, eg, if they are building a private network on a single hardware host to use with a collection of virtual machines on that host. If their stuff stays on their own network, no big deal. If they screw up somehow and one of their devices ends up on our network, again, it'll be easy to tell because it is in this distinct 10.0.0.0 region. I think 10.100.0.0 would be easy to remember to use, and well away from Apple's use.

Within 192.168.0.0, I've seen use all over the range. Some devices I've had use 192.168.0.x range. Some 192.168.254.x. The Linksys NSLU2 "slugs" use 192.168.1.77. And those are just the ones I'm familiar with and can recall off the top of my head. So, I think we just leave this for use with those devices.

Anyway, that's my suggestion, based on my experience. You may have experience with devices that tend to default to 172.16.0.0 too, making this a less useful scheme, for instance.

[[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 16:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks much for the feedback Deejoe. I like your ideas. I don't know of any devices that are using the 172.x.x.x range by default so that all sounds good.

Also, Fvox13, good point about Cat6a. Lets shoot for Cat6 with the expectation that we will probably end up with a bunch of cat5e and limited cat6, which we'll probably want to use for core equipment that doesn't have other interconnects.
--[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 00:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I was looking at the subnetting layout and thought I'd chip in my two cents, for what it's worth. When addressing core devices (switches, routers, servers, and so on), I've found putting them on the subnet right before the broadcast more design-friendly. It makes writing ACLs much more easier and flexible, along with making adding new equipment to the core layer faster. Any thoughts on this? --[[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]

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== Infrastructure Questions ==
I am going to put the questions about the environment and power over into this talk section, so we can try and clean up the main page a little bit more. [[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 18:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Power ===
*What is the capacity of the power system the space on?
*Is it shared with other tenants?
*What kind of emergency power/lighting does the building have?
*Is it our responsibility or the landlord's to increase/change electrical capacity?

'''If so:'''

*Do we have access to the electrical panel or disconnect/fuses from within the space?
*Can we run our own conduit/wall boxes? (Wall conduit to comply with fire code)

=== Environmental ===
*How is the space heated in the winter?
*How is the space cooled in the summer?
*What is the RG&E budget for the space (assuming it can give some indication of the cost of heating/cooling)?
*Will humidity be a problem?

== Internet Access ==
Talking to John day about NFP discounts and possible packages for our building zone
--[[User:Antitree|Antitree]] 19:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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[http://www.fibertech.com/ Fibertech]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Ethernet Metro Ethernet] network ends 1/2 mile from our location. :-( :-( :-( They would have to run a fair amount of fiber to service us. Rather than hit us with $25 - $30K for a buildout cost, they would be able to spread the cost over the course of a 3 or 5 year term (and we wouldn't have to pay *all* of that cost!) Still waiting for official quote, but it does sound expensive. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 22:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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[http://www.cogentco.com/us/ Cogent]: Offer [http://www.cogentco.com/us/pns_dedicated.php?Off off net] service by way of subcontracted T3 / sonet lines. Still waiting for quote, but I don't think they're a valid option, since the Fibertech guy says that Fibertech would be the subcontractor (!) and then Cogent would have to mark it up further. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 21:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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TW Telecom: Submitted a quote request. They offer Metro Ethernet as well. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 21:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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Frontier: Submitted a quote request. They offer Metro Ethernet, as well as more traditional telco solutions like DS1, DS3, DSL, etc. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 22:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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Based on what I saw in the temp space, *somebody* has *something* running to our building... we just have to figure out who and what!

== Service Suggestions ==

AirPort Express wireless AP (connected to stereo system for streaming music via AirTunes?)
Can also act as a USB print server if we have a printer donated (USB is not the best option... we should consider an ethernet-enabled printer (maybe someone can donate?))
--[[User:Ben Woodruff|Ben Woodruff]] 06:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

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Production network should have a more robust AP... maybe a Meru or Cisco?

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I agree, the problem is cost. I didn't see any mentions of a better AP on the donations page, so we may be stuck with what I've got for the time being. We will also probably want to offer guest wireless access at some point, through a different SSID, which will require an additional/different AP (the new Apple equipment can do it, but this one can't)

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I have a [http://www.vandis.com/docs/meru-ap100-ds.pdf Meru AP100] and a Cisco Aironet 1200 that I will be donating --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 18:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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Does anyone know of a "good" captive portal type system like start.rit.edu or BlueSocket? I want something that can register MAC addresses with a DHCP server if proper credentials are supplied (auth w/ LDAP). Bonus points if it has optional static IP registration for servers and host management (remember which MACs belong to which users) --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 20:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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I'm against captive portals, (Looks like you sort of agree, the way you said '"good" captive portal'), but [http://m0n0.ch/wall/ Monowall] might work --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 20:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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You should be able to use something like PacketFence I would thing. That has an included registration system, so that the admin doesn't have to do as much. Here is a link to its [http://www.packetfence.org/tour/features.html Features]

--[[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 21:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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[http://nocat.net/ NoCatAuth] was developed for open-ish or community wireless networks. Might fit the bill. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 21:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Infrastructure

2009-12-10T06:54:29Z

BinaryMan:

==Network Project==
I would like to take the lead on this. I want to ask at the next meeting what people's needs are for network(s) and bandwidth [I know personally I'd like to play with some high bandwidth VoIP stuff, so the more bandwidth we can afford the better, imo] and see if what we have outlined on the [[Infrastructure]] page meshes with what everyone else was thinking. --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 20:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Care to tag-team this? --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 14:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Help is always appreciated, Carl mentioned wanting to help as well. --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 15:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Ben, looks like you've got a good handle on this. Nicely detailed proposals. Thanks for stepping up to lead this.

The chief thing that springs to mind with regard to the RFC1918 address space allocations is that consumer level devices, which I think it's safe to say we'll have on hand at one time or another, typically use at least two of those ranges preferentially. Apple Airport base stations tend to use addresses in the 10.0.0.0/8 range, and non-Apple devices often plop themselves down in the 192.168.0.0/16 range.

My suggestion, then, is to use 172.16.0.0/12 range for all of our private networks. That way, if something shows a 192.168.x.y or 10.x.y.z address, we'll know right away that it's coming from something other than our stuff.

In that light, I propose 172.20.x.y for the production network, partitioned further as you suggest (perhaps spacing things out by 10s in the third octet instead of by 1s, to give some room in between), 172.30.x.y for the warzone. The mnemonic I have in mind for this is that .20 is an "even" multiple of 10, even meaning "smooth" and smooth being what one wants from a production environment. In contrast, .30 is an "odd" multiple of 10, odd being exciting, unusual, or even dangerous, depending on one's perspective, but certainly what one would expect from a "warzone". In between these two we'd have 172.25.x.y, which would be the playground--not expected to be at all dangerous, but you must be this tall to enter this ride.

The 10.0.0.0/8 space is pretty big, even if Apple does use part of it. From what I recall and can tell from a quick search, they tend to use 10.0.1.x addresses. I think it might be a good convention to pick some portion of the 10.0.0.0/8 space and then to recommend that people use it for setting up their own independent test networks, eg, if they are building a private network on a single hardware host to use with a collection of virtual machines on that host. If their stuff stays on their own network, no big deal. If they screw up somehow and one of their devices ends up on our network, again, it'll be easy to tell because it is in this distinct 10.0.0.0 region. I think 10.100.0.0 would be easy to remember to use, and well away from Apple's use.

Within 192.168.0.0, I've seen use all over the range. Some devices I've had use 192.168.0.x range. Some 192.168.254.x. The Linksys NSLU2 "slugs" use 192.168.1.77. And those are just the ones I'm familiar with and can recall off the top of my head. So, I think we just leave this for use with those devices.

Anyway, that's my suggestion, based on my experience. You may have experience with devices that tend to default to 172.16.0.0 too, making this a less useful scheme, for instance.

[[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 16:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I was looking at the subnetting layout and thought I'd chip in my two cents, for what it's worth. When addressing core devices (switches, routers, servers, and so on), I've found putting them on the subnet right before the broadcast more design-friendly. It makes writing ACLs much more easier and flexible, along with making adding new equipment to the core layer faster. Any thoughts on this? --[[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]

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Thanks much for the feedback Deejoe. I like your ideas. I don't know of any devices that are using the 172.x.x.x range by default so that all sounds good.

Also, Fvox13, good point about Cat6a. Lets shoot for Cat6 with the expectation that we will probably end up with a bunch of cat5e and limited cat6, which we'll probably want to use for core equipment that doesn't have other interconnects.
--[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 00:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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== Infrastructure Questions ==
I am going to put the questions about the environment and power over into this talk section, so we can try and clean up the main page a little bit more. [[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 18:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Power ===
*What is the capacity of the power system the space on?
*Is it shared with other tenants?
*What kind of emergency power/lighting does the building have?
*Is it our responsibility or the landlord's to increase/change electrical capacity?

'''If so:'''

*Do we have access to the electrical panel or disconnect/fuses from within the space?
*Can we run our own conduit/wall boxes? (Wall conduit to comply with fire code)

=== Environmental ===
*How is the space heated in the winter?
*How is the space cooled in the summer?
*What is the RG&E budget for the space (assuming it can give some indication of the cost of heating/cooling)?
*Will humidity be a problem?

== Internet Access ==
Talking to John day about NFP discounts and possible packages for our building zone
--[[User:Antitree|Antitree]] 19:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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[http://www.fibertech.com/ Fibertech]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Ethernet Metro Ethernet] network ends 1/2 mile from our location. :-( :-( :-( They would have to run a fair amount of fiber to service us. Rather than hit us with $25 - $30K for a buildout cost, they would be able to spread the cost over the course of a 3 or 5 year term (and we wouldn't have to pay *all* of that cost!) Still waiting for official quote, but it does sound expensive. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 22:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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[http://www.cogentco.com/us/ Cogent]: Offer [http://www.cogentco.com/us/pns_dedicated.php?Off off net] service by way of subcontracted T3 / sonet lines. Still waiting for quote, but I don't think they're a valid option, since the Fibertech guy says that Fibertech would be the subcontractor (!) and then Cogent would have to mark it up further. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 21:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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TW Telecom: Submitted a quote request. They offer Metro Ethernet as well. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 21:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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Frontier: Submitted a quote request. They offer Metro Ethernet, as well as more traditional telco solutions like DS1, DS3, DSL, etc. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 22:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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Based on what I saw in the temp space, *somebody* has *something* running to our building... we just have to figure out who and what!

== Service Suggestions ==

AirPort Express wireless AP (connected to stereo system for streaming music via AirTunes?)
Can also act as a USB print server if we have a printer donated (USB is not the best option... we should consider an ethernet-enabled printer (maybe someone can donate?))
--[[User:Ben Woodruff|Ben Woodruff]] 06:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

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Production network should have a more robust AP... maybe a Meru or Cisco?

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I agree, the problem is cost. I didn't see any mentions of a better AP on the donations page, so we may be stuck with what I've got for the time being. We will also probably want to offer guest wireless access at some point, through a different SSID, which will require an additional/different AP (the new Apple equipment can do it, but this one can't)

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I have a [http://www.vandis.com/docs/meru-ap100-ds.pdf Meru AP100] and a Cisco Aironet 1200 that I will be donating --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 18:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

----

Does anyone know of a "good" captive portal type system like start.rit.edu or BlueSocket? I want something that can register MAC addresses with a DHCP server if proper credentials are supplied (auth w/ LDAP). Bonus points if it has optional static IP registration for servers and host management (remember which MACs belong to which users) --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 20:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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I'm against captive portals, (Looks like you sort of agree, the way you said '"good" captive portal'), but [http://m0n0.ch/wall/ Monowall] might work --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 20:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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You should be able to use something like PacketFence I would thing. That has an included registration system, so that the admin doesn't have to do as much. Here is a link to its [http://www.packetfence.org/tour/features.html Features]

--[[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 21:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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[http://nocat.net/ NoCatAuth] was developed for open-ish or community wireless networks. Might fit the bill. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 21:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Infrastructure

2009-12-10T06:53:18Z

BinaryMan:

==Network Project==
I would like to take the lead on this. I want to ask at the next meeting what people's needs are for network(s) and bandwidth [I know personally I'd like to play with some high bandwidth VoIP stuff, so the more bandwidth we can afford the better, imo] and see if what we have outlined on the [[Infrastructure]] page meshes with what everyone else was thinking. --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 20:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Care to tag-team this? --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 14:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Help is always appreciated, Carl mentioned wanting to help as well. --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 15:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

----

Ben, looks like you've got a good handle on this. Nicely detailed proposals. Thanks for stepping up to lead this.

The chief thing that springs to mind with regard to the RFC1918 address space allocations is that consumer level devices, which I think it's safe to say we'll have on hand at one time or another, typically use at least two of those ranges preferentially. Apple Airport base stations tend to use addresses in the 10.0.0.0/8 range, and non-Apple devices often plop themselves down in the 192.168.0.0/16 range.

My suggestion, then, is to use 172.16.0.0/12 range for all of our private networks. That way, if something shows a 192.168.x.y or 10.x.y.z address, we'll know right away that it's coming from something other than our stuff.

In that light, I propose 172.20.x.y for the production network, partitioned further as you suggest (perhaps spacing things out by 10s in the third octet instead of by 1s, to give some room in between), 172.30.x.y for the warzone. The mnemonic I have in mind for this is that .20 is an "even" multiple of 10, even meaning "smooth" and smooth being what one wants from a production environment. In contrast, .30 is an "odd" multiple of 10, odd being exciting, unusual, or even dangerous, depending on one's perspective, but certainly what one would expect from a "warzone". In between these two we'd have 172.25.x.y, which would be the playground--not expected to be at all dangerous, but you must be this tall to enter this ride.

The 10.0.0.0/8 space is pretty big, even if Apple does use part of it. From what I recall and can tell from a quick search, they tend to use 10.0.1.x addresses. I think it might be a good convention to pick some portion of the 10.0.0.0/8 space and then to recommend that people use it for setting up their own independent test networks, eg, if they are building a private network on a single hardware host to use with a collection of virtual machines on that host. If their stuff stays on their own network, no big deal. If they screw up somehow and one of their devices ends up on our network, again, it'll be easy to tell because it is in this distinct 10.0.0.0 region. I think 10.100.0.0 would be easy to remember to use, and well away from Apple's use.

Within 192.168.0.0, I've seen use all over the range. Some devices I've had use 192.168.0.x range. Some 192.168.254.x. The Linksys NSLU2 "slugs" use 192.168.1.77. And those are just the ones I'm familiar with and can recall off the top of my head. So, I think we just leave this for use with those devices.

Anyway, that's my suggestion, based on my experience. You may have experience with devices that tend to default to 172.16.0.0 too, making this a less useful scheme, for instance.

[[User:Deejoe|Deejoe]] 16:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I was looking at the subnetting layout and thought I'd chip in my two cents, for what it's worth. When addressing core devices (switches, routers, servers, and so on), I've found putting them on the subnet right before the broadcast more design-friendly. It makes writing ACLs much more easier and flexible. Any thoughts on this? --[[User:BinaryMan|BinaryMan]]

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Thanks much for the feedback Deejoe. I like your ideas. I don't know of any devices that are using the 172.x.x.x range by default so that all sounds good.

Also, Fvox13, good point about Cat6a. Lets shoot for Cat6 with the expectation that we will probably end up with a bunch of cat5e and limited cat6, which we'll probably want to use for core equipment that doesn't have other interconnects.
--[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 00:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

----

== Infrastructure Questions ==
I am going to put the questions about the environment and power over into this talk section, so we can try and clean up the main page a little bit more. [[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 18:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Power ===
*What is the capacity of the power system the space on?
*Is it shared with other tenants?
*What kind of emergency power/lighting does the building have?
*Is it our responsibility or the landlord's to increase/change electrical capacity?

'''If so:'''

*Do we have access to the electrical panel or disconnect/fuses from within the space?
*Can we run our own conduit/wall boxes? (Wall conduit to comply with fire code)

=== Environmental ===
*How is the space heated in the winter?
*How is the space cooled in the summer?
*What is the RG&E budget for the space (assuming it can give some indication of the cost of heating/cooling)?
*Will humidity be a problem?

== Internet Access ==
Talking to John day about NFP discounts and possible packages for our building zone
--[[User:Antitree|Antitree]] 19:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

----

[http://www.fibertech.com/ Fibertech]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Ethernet Metro Ethernet] network ends 1/2 mile from our location. :-( :-( :-( They would have to run a fair amount of fiber to service us. Rather than hit us with $25 - $30K for a buildout cost, they would be able to spread the cost over the course of a 3 or 5 year term (and we wouldn't have to pay *all* of that cost!) Still waiting for official quote, but it does sound expensive. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 22:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

----

[http://www.cogentco.com/us/ Cogent]: Offer [http://www.cogentco.com/us/pns_dedicated.php?Off off net] service by way of subcontracted T3 / sonet lines. Still waiting for quote, but I don't think they're a valid option, since the Fibertech guy says that Fibertech would be the subcontractor (!) and then Cogent would have to mark it up further. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 21:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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TW Telecom: Submitted a quote request. They offer Metro Ethernet as well. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 21:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

----

Frontier: Submitted a quote request. They offer Metro Ethernet, as well as more traditional telco solutions like DS1, DS3, DSL, etc. --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 22:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

----

Based on what I saw in the temp space, *somebody* has *something* running to our building... we just have to figure out who and what!

== Service Suggestions ==

AirPort Express wireless AP (connected to stereo system for streaming music via AirTunes?)
Can also act as a USB print server if we have a printer donated (USB is not the best option... we should consider an ethernet-enabled printer (maybe someone can donate?))
--[[User:Ben Woodruff|Ben Woodruff]] 06:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

----

Production network should have a more robust AP... maybe a Meru or Cisco?

----

I agree, the problem is cost. I didn't see any mentions of a better AP on the donations page, so we may be stuck with what I've got for the time being. We will also probably want to offer guest wireless access at some point, through a different SSID, which will require an additional/different AP (the new Apple equipment can do it, but this one can't)

----

I have a [http://www.vandis.com/docs/meru-ap100-ds.pdf Meru AP100] and a Cisco Aironet 1200 that I will be donating --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 18:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

----

Does anyone know of a "good" captive portal type system like start.rit.edu or BlueSocket? I want something that can register MAC addresses with a DHCP server if proper credentials are supplied (auth w/ LDAP). Bonus points if it has optional static IP registration for servers and host management (remember which MACs belong to which users) --[[User:Ben Woodruff|-- BW]] 20:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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I'm against captive portals, (Looks like you sort of agree, the way you said '"good" captive portal'), but [http://m0n0.ch/wall/ Monowall] might work --[[User:Fvox13|Fvox13]] 20:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

----

You should be able to use something like PacketFence I would thing. That has an included registration system, so that the admin doesn't have to do as much. Here is a link to its [http://www.packetfence.org/tour/features.html Features]

--[[User:Cmd3187|Cmd3187]] 21:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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[http://nocat.net/ NoCatAuth] was developed for open-ish or community wireless networks. Might fit the bill. --[[User:Berticus|Berticus]] 21:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

User:BinaryMan

2009-12-09T16:53:10Z

BinaryMan:

I is Chris.

P.S. Money is tight at the moment. I should (hopefully) have enough money in a week or two.

User:BinaryMan

2009-12-09T16:52:15Z

BinaryMan: Created page with 'I is Chris.'

I is Chris.